David -v- Doug: 1 John 5:2-3

David-v-Doug

Are the Commandments still valid today?

Bible Answers Live – Doug Batchelor

1 John 5:2-3 

Doug’s Bible Reference: 1 John 5:2-3  “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.  3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

David’s Bible Answer: Seventh-day Adventists are conditioned to think that this verses refer to the Ten Commandments.” They see the word commandments and get all excited! Oh boy! This must be a Ten Commandments proof text! Yay! Again I am being a bit sarcastic to make a point here. This conclusion is built entirely upon a presumption. The Adventist assumes these verses are speaking about the Ten Commandments.

But we are not left guessing, John clearly defines God’s commandments within the context. Keep in mind there were no chapter breaks when the Bible was written. Chapters and verse numbers were added centuries later. Just two verses before 1 John 5:2 we read…

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.  1 John 4:21

In every single example we have seen with our own eyes that Doug Batchelor which represents the beliefs of millions of Seventh-day Adventists, have made absolutely no attempt to look at the context of the verses used as “proof texts.

Today we have seen the context surrounding these verses. In the first several examples the law was actually talking about the law of Moses, and in these last two examples we have seen that Christs commandments are to love one another. None of these verses are proof texts endorsing the Ten Commandments under the New Covenant.

Sorry Doug, you are back at square one, ground zero and have not shown us a single “proof text” endorsing the Ten Commandments under the New Covenant. NOT ONE VERSE! Rapidly firing out a bunch of verses that uses phrases like “the law” and “commandments” may be persuasive and sound convincing to untrained laymen, however this doesn’t prove anything when each verse is carefully examined using proper Biblical hermeneutics.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.  2 Timothy 2:15

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Pretexts| Matthew 5:17-19 | Mark 10:17-22 |Matthew 15:3-9 | Romans 4:15 | John 14:15 |1 John 5:2-3

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David is a self-employed business owner who enjoys web and graphics design, a good TV show or movie, spending time with his animals and friends. For many years,David taught the Bible on the west coast 5 days a week over the radio for a broadcast he called, "The Loud Cry Ministry." David has been in ministry his entire adult life, having visited and taught in churches coast to coast, including churches in California, New York, Tennessee, Kansas, Nevada, Texas, Georgia, Oregon and Washington. David has been in marketing for over a dozen years now having owned or managed four offices, with hundreds of employees. David is responsible for creating and developing projects that cost in excess of half a million dollars, and absolutely loves developing new concepts and ideas and turning them into a reality. Currently David resides in Cincinnati OH where he works from home managing his online business US Home Work Force for the past three years, in which he provides websites and training for thousands of people all across the country helping them to earn a substantial income over the Internet.

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