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David M. Curtis & Nicholas Letters
Audio Sermon: The Remnant of God Ministry (December 17, 2004)
October 10-12th 2004 (Updated December 2, 2004)
Please tell a friend about this web page warning against Nicholas and his false message to leave the SDA Church.
Just this Thanksgiving Day morning (2004), I received word from Gary owner of www.conflictoftheages.org, that he had shared this web page with a friend of his. This is what they said after reading this page.
" Jonah helped me copy and paste so I did read all of the writings between David and Nic.
Thank you dear brother for pointing out those things, it made me feel a lot better. I knew in my heart of hearts that what the book “To be God Of One World” was saying about the church being Babylon was wrong, for EGW said that the SHIP WILL GO THRU! I have also sent out a note to all my friends and family to whom I sent the site for the book, with the attachment which tell that the SOP does not wish us to leave the SDA church. -Jackie"
NOTE: Nicholas is NOT a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church. In fact he was disfellowshipped 2 years ago by Independent Seventh-day Adventist's Joel Laswell and his church. Nicholas is NOT a Seventh Day Adventist. On his web site he teaches that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is a "sister to Babylon" to encourage people to leave God's True Church so that these poor deceived souls will send their tithes to his ministry. This page you are now reading contains overwhelming evidence that Nicholas's flash presentation "The Roman SDA Church" (on this page referred to by its previously used name SDA-2-RCC) grossly misquotes Sister Whites writings by completely taking them out of context. In the letters you are about to read, you will see in Nicholas's own words that when this was brought to his attention that not only did he refuse to reply, he banned my emails.
Read Note from Joel Laswell CLICK HERE
My Bible says, "Be ready always to give an answer to everyman that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" 1 Peter 3:15.
I went to Nicholas one on one as Matthew 18 commands, and since he refused to hear, other brother's went and talked to him ask well.
15 ¶ Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
This web page is my attempt to obey Matthew 18:17. Since Nicholas has refused to hear one on one council and the council of other brothers which he knows and are personal friends with I am taking this to the church right here with this publicly viewed web page. Earlier I made mention of Nicholas accepting tithes. The following paragraph is a direct quote from his web site.
"This ministry is biblically capable of accepting your tithes and offerings. Although dedicated people are the heart of our ministry, the reality remains that it takes money to effectively reach the multitudes in America, and the World. Donations are the solitary source of funds that make it possible for Presents of God ministry to maintain an effective website as well as a worldwide outreach. Presents of God ministry receives no denominational subsidies whatsoever, making your gifts vitally important. Our work is totally dependent on the financial support of people like you who share our passion for telling the world about Jesus Christ and at the same time warning them about Antichrist."
That which has been set apart according to the Scriptures as belonging to the Lord constitutes the revenue of the gospel and is no longer ours. It is no better than sacrilege for a man to take from God's treasury in order to serve himself or to serve others in their secular business. Some have been at fault in diverting from the altar of God that which has been especially dedicated to Him. God has given special direction as to the use of the tithe.... The portion that God has reserved for Himself is not to be diverted to any other purpose than that which He has specified. Let none feel at liberty to retain their tithe, to use according to their own judgment. They are not to use it for themselves in an emergency, nor to apply it as they see fit, even in what they may regard as the Lord's work." Testimonies for the Church vol. 9 pp. 246,247.
Those who are carrying this message of error, denouncing the church as Babylon, are neglecting their God-appointed work, are in opposition to organization, in opposition to the plain command of God spoken by Malachi in regard to bringing all the tithes into the treasury of God's house, and imagine that they have a work to do in warning those whom God has chosen to forward His message of truth. These workers are not bringing greater efficiency to the cause and kingdom of God, but are engaged in a work similar to that in which the enemy of all righteousness is engaged. Let these men who are rising up against the ways and means ordained of God to forward His work in these days of peril divest themselves of all unscriptural views concerning the nature, office, and power of God's appointed agencies. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 53.
"A very plain, definite message has been given to me for our people. I am bidden to tell them that they are making a mistake in applying the tithe to various objects which, though good in themselves, are not the object to which the Lord has said that the tithe should be applied. Those who make this use of the tithe are departing from the Lord's arrangement. God will judge for these things. One reasons that the tithe may be applied to school purposes. Still others reason that canvassers and colporteurs should be supported from the tithe. But a great mistake is made when the tithe is drawn from the object for which it is to be used--the support of the ministers. Some have been dissatisfied and have said: "I will not longer pay my tithe; for I have no confidence in the way things are managed at the heart of the work." But will you rob God because you think the management of the work is not right? Make your complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not doing right." Testimonies for the Church vol. 9 p. 248,249.
Some may bring to my attention that Ellen G. White wrote about appropriating the tithe to black ministers in the South to defend there acceptance of the tithe. Yes Sister White did this. Come let us reason together. She also used pork before she was given light through the health message of 1863 not to. Just because Sister White used pork in ignorance did not make it right. Neither was her use of the tithe in ignorance before she was given direct revelation right! The message about the use of tithe was progressive very much like the health message. Sister White did NOT receive direct light concerning tithe until 1903. She wrote that council in the above quotes found in Testimonies for the Church vol. 9 where she wrote, "God has given special direction as to the use of the tithe." Before that time the Church paid the Church Treasurer and other departments in the church from the tithe. Neither Ellen White nor the Church knew that it was wrong to do this until the Lord gave direct light in 1903 when Sister white wrote in Testimonies for the Church vol. 9 "Councils on Stewardship" and "Spirit of Independence."
LOOKING FOR MORE INFO ABOUT TITHING? Read an article with references to 180 Sister White Quotes CLICK HERE
Final Note: The following is letters sent between my self and Nicholas dated October 10-12, 2004. I removed the URL's Nicholas gave in his letters and two sentences concerning a request I made to him concerning a voice chat room because that was not relevant to this POST. Everything else is intact and word for word, nothing left out. I do not endorse Nicholas's message and because of this I removed the URL's.
Nicholas:
David, now that I am part of the Church council of the Seventh-day Remnant church. I must be very careful as to what message I allow to be proclaimed from my pulpit. I must guard this pulpit with my life. We are a quickly growing collection of believers that graphically oppose the General Conference and any ties to it whatsoever. It is indeed a sister to fallen Babylon and we have most assuredly and overwhelmingly proven that fact.
We have also shared factual evidence, both Scriptural as well as Historic that probation has indeed closed upon the GC SDA as well.
On your website you have literally hundreds of sermons as well as links to GC SDA websites and preachers that have not only been exposed as corrupted, but some of them have direct ties to Roman Catholic Jesuits. David, I would be preaching a mixed message from my pulpit if I were to allow such a message as this to be preached from my chat rooms. I pray I have not offended you in any way as this is not my intention. I have always believed you could be a mighty tool in the Hand of God. The truth is very blunt some times and must not be avoided for the sake of convenience.
I pray it has opened your eyes my friend, and I pray it has not hardened your heart. Isa 8:20 ...Nic
David:
I am open to a discussion about this subject. I am seeking truth, I am willing to discuss this issue in an academic debate with the church council you mentioned and all who wish to join such a discussion. with much brotherly love, David
Nicholas:
great! I will let them know. In the mean time, take a look at those links I sent you. :) ...Nic
David:
I have seen sda to rcc let me know a convenient time for everyone. Good night
Nicholas:
It may not be that easy. These are VERY busy people and they are scattered across the nation. So give it time. Besides... why do you need to talk to THEM, why can't you study and find out on your own? I am not being sarcastic, just curious. :) ...N
David:
I have studied for myself.. For five years now, Nic we have definite convictions that are opposite on this. We are both honest in our convictions. I think it should be discussed. Come now and let us reason together..... Reason with me your views and I will reason with you mine. I think it important that any authoritative person on the issue should be present to offer there experienced study in this.
In a court of law a person judged has the right to be judged by a jury of his peers. If my beliefs are going to be judged and condemned I believe they should have a adequate trial to be heard first. That is an analogy to portrait a picture for my reasons for this discussion group
Nicholas:
They have. I have gone over this for years and years and absolutely every single GC SDA person has failed completely to explain the inner workings of the GC using a Bible. It is completely run by Jesuits now and for those that refuse to see, they will have much to answer for. You say we need to be honest brother, and I agree. After viewing the facts, how I ask can you honestly stay in a church that openly embraces Catholic doctrine?
David:
Earlier you wrote me "blunt" words, and I accepted them as being written from a brother that loves me and gave tender thought about how to convey those thoughts. I hope you will accept my words in the same way. They are written with that intent OK?
I do not dispute that there is corruption in the church. If we got together and chatted about this I would be nodding my head just about the whole time you shared these things. Please understand, I have known about Jesuits for several years now. I am aware of misuse of tithe and on and on, the issues could feel volumes I am sure.
Please see where I am coming from for a moment. You know I had a period of time where five local SDA churches banned me from attendance because I would not stop preaching on the radio and distributing literature in the tens of thousands all over Oregon, revealing the issues of Rev 14. I was hurt; I was confused and did not understand why this was happening. I was preaching the same message just out side the walls of the church to the world instead of to the pews in closed walls.
At the same time I ran into several Independent Ministries and made friendships that I still have to this day. ( I am not referring to the internet). I learned things that horrified me about the church.
I had no love for the "GC" brother and had thoughts of starting an Independent SDA church in my area. My conscience could not do that until I KNEW with out a doubt that if I did that it was God's will not just because I had hurt feelings or was in shock from the new info I learned. I had one question that had to be settled before I could go on and start a Independent Church. Would God approve? What did the S O P say about leaving the church?
I did not know for sure. I heard people in the church say one thing and Independents say another. I am open to hear but am not easily persuaded unless I see It Is Written. I saw some quotes that appeared to say it was ok to leave the church, and others that appeared to say it was not ok. I had to have all of these quotes settled in my mind to know what the real message was. I WANTED TO LEAVE THE CHURCH brother. But I could not go against conscience and ACT until I knew what the real message was, so for years I searched, and did not really know, all the while I wanted to leave the church and start and Independant Church. I wrestled and wrestled. I am not wrestling anymore I am at peace in my mind about the S O P writings and this message about the church. I have that peace if you will from a very convicting appeal from E G W her self in scores of quotes spanning pages and pages. This next part is where I need you to know my words may be direct but are not intended to offend, I love you man. I know you love me too hehehe OK?
In your flash sda2rcc you have several E G W quotes. I would like to focus on them. I do not dispute the stuff about Jesuits OK? I want to talk about the E G W quotes. Ellen explains what she intended when she said those things. In her own words it makes it clear that those words were a present truth message 115 years ago that only applied to the present experience. We need to look at those quotes were she talks about this together. The council in the quotes in your flash expired a short time after she wrote them she says this in her own words. Expired in the since they have no present application to the church. I can prove that if you give me the chance to talk about this with you. Using those texts from EGW in that flash is using them out of context and misleading no it is misusing them brother. The statement at the end of the flash is clearly a text from Great Controversy referring to Rome, she was not writing about the SDA church there. Because of Jesuits you may be thinking that is semantics, brother it is not. The context is Rome. To use that quote out of context is misleading. It is! For anyone to use a text in the bible or even e g w out of context is misleading and leads to erroneous conclusions not intended by the author. There is not one E G W quote that should be used to prove your position that is in that flash, Not one! If you believe other wise then lets get together and talk about it. Please do not take this personally look at in objectionably ok Nic. Do not discard what I said with out talking about it with me sometime. What if I am right. just what if? What if those quotes were actually misquotes, would you honestly want to push this agenda of leaving the church even at the expense of misquoting E G W? of course not. I know you to be an honest man Nic. I believe that about you, I do. To misquote would be dishonest. You are a honest man and teach men to be honest. I know that. Nic you are a honest man, and I believe everything in your presentation is there because you are honest about believing that those quotes belong. At least be willing to talk about it. This letter is not a attempt to talk about this stuff, because I have not shown the evidence for why I say these things. Please do not discard what I am saying until you see why I said it OK? We need to do that one on one or in a group of peers. I am willing to do that with your friends with out any one I know there OK? IT makes it less personal to have a group looking at things. I have more to talk about and I know you have more evidence to support your convictions so lets just get together and talk about it sometime. I know it may take time people are busy I am not in a hurry. I have waited two years thinking of talking to you about this I can wait longer. I know this has been in the back of you mind whenever you think of me too. So come on, in love we can be blunt we can be what ever and talk about it and walk away friends right? so what is the harm, like you say truth is truth, one of us is wrong right? we can not both be right, if I am wrong I want to know about it. Because I am an honest man too about my convictions I am willing to lay them down if I am wrong. Nic I will be the first to leave the church and even start and Independent Church if you can show me that it is the express will of God. If I am wrong I cannot do anything against the truth right? God's truth will march on no matter what little ole me thinks. Well it is late and I know you won't read this till tomorrow or later so I will just wrap it up for now. Goodnight brother, and I do consider you my brother man.
David
Nicholas:
David, don't you think that all these men that are part of this church council took into consideration ALL those quotes of EGW and more? Truth is, we do this biblically together so as to prevent any "one" man's personal opinions or interpretations from playing a part. Sister White is plain enough, but Scripture is even more blunt. Have you seen my page about the 7 churches 4 movements? Am I correct in assuming you never read ANY of the things I sent you David? If you did you would have had all your questions answered. ...N
David:
Good Morning Nic,
I will share with you some of the evidence in my appeal I would like to make with you about the messages you share on your web site about leaving the church. This is not an exhaustive appeal, rather an outline. I would still like to schedule an academic debate sometime in the future even if that takes a year to arrange. In such a forum I would be able to discuss at much greater length why I believe a message to leave the church is a false message. This out line got a little longer than I wanted it to, 8 pages. I apologize for that. But please read the whole outline in this letter.
You wrote,
"We have also shared factual evidence, both Scriptural as well as Historic that probation has indeed closed upon the GC SDA as well."
You will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the shaking among God's people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy. . . . Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.--1SM 179 (1890).
I will go into this in much greater detail at the appropriate time, as I said this is only an out line. I believe the evidence of the writings of EGW are clear that yes Probation closes on the SDA church before it will close on the world. I believe this evidence will clearly teach that such a close of probation upon the SDA Church happens at the ushering in of the National Sunday Law. If this is true probation has not yet closed on the SDA church. That is one issue I would like to discuss in this open forum of dialog with the Church council of the Seventh-day Remnant church.
The Lord has not given you a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of her. All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a message. . . . know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be. -2SM 63, 68, 69 (1893)
Lets repeat that, “there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.” This is referring to the future past her time and Ellen says there is no evidence in her mind that such a thing will be. Yes but what about Jesuits and misuse of tithe and….. “All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a message.”
Although there are evils existing in the church, and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard.--Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 45, 49 (1893).
You wrote,
We are a quickly growing collection of believers that graphically oppose the General Conference and any ties to it whatsoever. It is indeed a sister to fallen Babylon and we have most assuredly and overwhelmingly proven that fact.
Those who assert that the Seventh-day Adventist churches constitute Babylon, OR ANY PART OF BABYLON, might better stay at home. Let them stop and consider what is the message to be proclaimed at this time. In place of working with divine agencies to prepare a people to stand in the day of the Lord, they have taken their stand with him who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God day and night. Satanic agencies have been moved from beneath, and they have inspired men to UNITE IN A CONFEDERACY of evil, that they may perplex, harass, and cause of the people of God great distress. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 36.
Again I bring attention to the EGW quotes used in this flash presentation sda2rcc and allege that those quotes are being misused to state a message not intended by EGW.
It will be found that those who bear false messages will not have a high sense of honor and integrity. They will deceive the people, and mix up with their error the Testimonies of Sister White, and use her name to give influence to their work. They make such selections from the Testimonies as they think they can twist to support their positions, and place them in a setting of falsehood, so that their error may have weight and be accepted by the people. They misinterpret and misapply that which God has given to the church to warn, counsel, reprove, comfort, and encourage those who shall make up the remnant people of God." Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 41-43
Nic has this happened in your presentation sda2rcc? Have quotes from the testimonies been made to appear to say something that in realty they do not say? I believe so brother. Let’s read some of these quotes used in this flash.
The voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.--17MR 185 (1896).
It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.--17MR 216 (1898).
That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be--that is past.--GCB April 3, 1901, p. 25.
Let’s allow Ellen the chance to explain these statements for herself shall we? Do these testimonies state a message to abandon ship and leave the church or an entirely different message? She is writing about the above testimonies several years after she wrote them.
At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God's work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected. God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work.--9T 260, 261 (1909).
The problem that caused her to write the testimonies used in your flash presentation was that there were too few men heading up the work in Battle Creek. These testimonies were a reproof so that the necessary reformation would be made and it was made.
New Conferences must be formed. It was in the order of God that the Union conference was organized in Australasia. . . . It is not necessary to send thousands of miles to Battle Creek for advice, and then have to wait weeks for an answer. Those who are right on the ground are to decide what shall be done.--GCB April 5, 1901, pp. 69, 70.
Note: In the above quotation she is giving council to continue growth of G C conferences and churches just two days after she said. . . “That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be--that is past.--GCB April 3, 1901, p. 25.”
There are altogether too many weighty responsibilities given to a few men, and some do not make God their Counselor. What do these men know of the necessities of the work in foreign countries? How can they know how to decide the questions which come to them asking for information? It would require three months for those in foreign countries to receive a response to their questions, even if there was no delay in writing.--Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 321 (1896).
Those living in distant countries will not do that which their judgment tells them is right unless they first send for permission to Battle Creek. Before they will advance they await Yes or No from that place.--SpT-A(9) 32 (1896).
We are no longer waiting three months to get replies through mail services, there are now different divisions in the world instead of just a few men in one place making all the decisions. In other words the council in those testimonies used in your flash show expired in her day as she herself saw the reforms necessary being made. Nowhere in these testimonies used in your flash was Ellen implying a massive exodus from the SDA church, to use them in that context is to misapply these quotes. Nic to continue using those quotes in your flash in the frame of context you apply them would be to misapply them, out of context. I am sure you can see that now.
Some have advanced the thought that, as we near the close of time, every child of God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man's being independent.--9T 257, 258
We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--2SM 390
I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts TO THE END OF TIME.--2SM 397 (1908).
Those who have proclaimed the Seventh-day Adventist Church as Babylon, have made use of the Testimonies in giving their position a seeming support; but why is it that they did not present that which for years has been the burden of my message--the unity of the church? Why did they not quote the words of the angel, "Press together, press together, press together"? Why did they not repeat the admonition and state the principle, that "in union there is strength, in division there is weakness"? It is such messages as these men have borne that divide the church, and put us to shame before the enemies of truth; and in such messages is plainly revealed the specious working of the great deceiver, who would hinder the church from attaining unto perfection in unity. These teachers follow the sparks of their own kindling, move according to their own independent judgment, and cumber the truth with false notions and theories. They refuse the counsel of their brethren, and press on in their own way until they become just what Satan would desire to have them--unbalanced in mind. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 56.
"My brother, I learn that you are taking the position that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, and that all that would be saved must come out of her. You are not the only man the devil has deceived in this matter. For the last forty years, one man after another has arisen, claiming that the Lord has sent him with the same message; but let me tell you, as I have told them, that this message you are proclaiming is one of the satanic delusions designed to create confusion among the churches. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 58,59
"My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong, God has not given you any such message to bear. Satan will use every mind to which he can attain access, inspiring men to originate false theories or go off on some wrong tangent, that he may create a false excitement, and thus divert souls from the true issue for this time. I presume that some may be deceived by your message, because they are full of curiosity and desire for some new thing. It makes me feel sad indeed that you should be deceived in any way by the suggestions of the enemy; for I know the theory that you are advocating is not truth. In advancing the ideas you do, you will do great injury to yourself and to others. Do not seek to misinterpret, and twist, and pervert the Testimonies to substantiate any such message of error. Many have passed over this ground, and have done great harm. As others have started up full of zeal to proclaim this message, again and again, I have been shown that it was not truth …. Where, my brother, have you stepped out of the path? Oh, get your feet back in the straight path again. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 59,60
Nic I appreciate you reading everything up to this point, I have many other quotes but for simply an out line of what I would like to talk about this will suffice. The grounds in your web site from the writings of EGW to leave the church are groundless. Are there corruptions, do you have evidence for that, yes. I do not argue against that. What I dispute is whether there is grounds in the S O P to leave the church as alleged in your flash presentation.
Let me end this letter with a personal thought. Personally I wish there were authentic grounds from S O P to leave the church, there is not. Personally I want to, but I am convicted that my will in this is contrary to the express will of God, and I must say not my will but Thine be done. Are there Jesuits working inside the church?
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Jesus Christ.
If a Jesuit is not a wolf in sheep’s clothing I do not know what is! Does God want us to be gullible and hide our heads in the sand about Jesuits? NO! He wants us to “BEWARE!” Nic I encourage you to continue to help make people aware of these wolves. I am all for ya man. But did Jesus say when wolves come to leave the sheepfold or to start a new one? I don’t think so Nic. Jesus wanted us to be aware of what was going on and the Testimonies say to sigh and cry against abominations in the church, and Nic if there was anyone good at doing that it is you! That is for sure! Please pray about this, all Satan wants is to get us off track in what ever way he can. I am convinced the message to leave the church is off track.
I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will work. . . . When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God's commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.--3SM 17, 18 (1893).
Please pray about this council you have joined and reconsider it. Their message is the wrong one man. This is the right one.
"It is our individual duty to walk humbly with God. We are not to seek any strange, new message. We are not to think that the chosen ones of God who are trying to walk in the light compose Babylon. The fallen denominational churches are Babylon. Babylon has been fostering poisonous doctrines, the wine of error. This wine of error is made up of false doctrines, such as the natural immortality of the soul, the eternal torment of the wicked, the denial of the pre-existence of Christ prior to His birth in Bethlehem, and advocating and exalting the first day of the week above God's holy and sanctified day. These and kindred errors are presented to the world by the various churches, and thus the Scriptures are fulfilled that say, 'For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.' It is a wrath which is created by false doctrines, and when kings and presidents drink this wine of the wrath of her fornication, they are stirred with anger against those who will not come into harmony with the false and satanic heresies which exalt the false sabbath, and lead men to trample underfoot God's memorial. Fallen angels upon earth form confederations with evil men. In this age antichrist will appear as the true Christ, and then the law of God will be fully made void in the nations of our world. Rebellion against God's holy law will be fully ripe. But the true leader of all this rebellion is Satan clothed as an angel of light. Men will be deceived and will exalt him to the place of God, and deify him. But Omnipotence will interpose, and to the apostate churches that unite in the exaltation of Satan, the sentence will go forth, 'Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 61,62.
Sincerely,
David
Nicholas:
David, a much better prepared person regarding this issue would be Robert Sessler. He is well versed in EGW regarding this very topic. My expertise is an appeal to those in Babylon, especially Rome. This is why I only have ONE page on my site addressing this issue. It is blunt, to the point and very exposing. One wonders how HUNDREDS of quotes from the SDA that echo Roman doctrine would be "ignored" by you or anyone as not proof enough that it is in fact Babylon. Most people that know me know that after I research, and BEFORE I put anything online I double verify. With that in mind, I have nothing else to say regarding this issue. Probation is closed on the SDA church. As far as I am concerned discussion is closed as well on this issue. Jesus said "by their fruits" you will know who is a Christian and who Is not. The GC SDA leaders are NOT Christians. To believe otherwise is to call Christ a liar.
Good day...NicholasDavid:
Closing the topic? Well I will not write you more on this topic if it bothers you that much. Did you read my out line? because in it I share with you why the quotes you use in your site are being misapplied out of context, if you would rather not know about that then I will not stir up your attention to it again.
Nicholas:
No I did not read your outline because you refused to read anything I sent. I am not here to waste time or play games. I love you too much to treat you as unworthy of my time. One sided debates are LECTURES.
David:
I have read the material on your site, I shared that I have seen your flash several times in the last several letters and am open to discussing all the evidence you want to share. That is what a academic debate is, I asked for you to reason with me your views and to allow me to reason with you mine. I have not refused to hear anything you have to say about this quite the contrary I have repeatedly asked for a time when we can get together so I could hear it.Note: Nicholas banned my emails after this and has refused to talk any further about this. Is the topic closed or is it his mind? My Bible says, Be ready to give to everyman the reasons for what you believe. Teachers are especially accountable to do this. The above Sister White quotes make it clear anyone declaring the SDA Church is Babylon or any part of it are doing the work of Satan, and furthermore any ministry accepting tithes "God will judge for these things." Testimonies for the Church vol. 9 248.
Dear Brothers and Sisters do not be deceived, Nicholas is receiving a strong delusion of a lie and is becoming partner with the Accuser of the brethren in taking up this false message against the Church.
I late Summer of 2001 Nicholas was given air time on my radio broadcast... qouted from Nic's web site.
B I G N E W S
PRESENTS OF GOD ministry is now in Oregon as well! That's right! The Truth Provided Newsletter is now ON THE AIR in Springfield Oregon Wednesday's at 12:30pm Pacific time. Tune your radios to 1050am K.O.R.E Radio for The Loud Cry radio broadcast.
Anyone that has heard my radio broadcast sermons here on The Loud Cry web site, I am confident can testify I did not beat around the bush about revealing Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast on the radio! Unfortunately a month into Nic's debute on my radio broadcast, I was left with no choice but to discontinue airing Nicholas's radio clips. His use of the word "whore" in every other sentence would of resulted with me being unable to renew my contract with K. O. R. E.!
Read Note from Joel Laswell CLICK HERE
2 Years ago he was disfellowshipped by Joel Laswell and his Independent SDA church. Because already established Independent SDA's disfellowshipped Nicholas, he decided to start yet another Independent SDA organization he calls the Seventh-day Remnant Church. Clearly Nicholas is on the wrong track, do not let him or his "ministry" derail you.
We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--2SM 390
Those who assert that the Seventh-day Adventist churches constitute Babylon, OR ANY PART OF BABYLON, might better stay at home ... they have taken their stand with him who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God day and night. Satanic agencies have been moved from beneath, and they have inspired men to UNITE IN A CONFEDERACY of evil, that they may perplex, harass, and cause of the people of God great distress. Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers p. 36.
Let's close this post with the words of Nicholas Himself in his final words from his first letter on this page. This word-for-word quote I now redirect back to Nicholas.
"I have always believed you could be a mighty tool in the Hand of God. The truth is very blunt some times and must not be avoided for the sake of convenience.
I pray it has opened your eyes my friend, and I pray it has not hardened your heart. Isa 8:20 ...Nic"
David M. Curtis
Director/Speaker of The Loud Cry Ministry
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