The following is taken from a debate with a learned Seventh-day Adventist Professor on one of my videos on YouTube earlier in this year (2011).
The @mrloudcry sections are written by the Adventist Professor.
The @Truthxxxxxxx sections are written by me (David M. Curtis).
But, many continued keeping Saturday for centuries. Socrates Scholasticus in the 400s AD writes, “For although almost all Churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [the eucharist] on the sabbath of every week,yet the Christians of Alexandria&at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this.” The cities of Rome and Alexandria were the first Christian assemblies to break the tradition of meeting on the Sabbath and worship on Sunday.
you need to be extremely certain that you are right before you misquote historians!
Read the CONTEXT: Taken IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE SOCRATES QUOTE.
“Since however no one can produce a written command as an authority, IT IS EVIDENT THAT THE APOSTLES LEFT EACH ONE TO HIS OWN FREE WILL IN THE MATTER, to the end that each might perform what is good not by constraint or necessity. Such is the difference in the churches on the subject of fasts. Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies.
NEXT WE WILL READ WHAT SOCRATES SAID IMMEDIATELY AFTER.”
Taken IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE SOCRATES QUOTE.
“The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebas HOLD THEIR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES ON THE SABBATH, BUT DO NOT PARTICIPATE OF THE MYSTERIES IN THE MANNER USUAL AMONG CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries. At Alexandria again, ON THE WEDNESDAY in Passion week and ON GOOD FRIDAY the scriptures are read,”
Since you have been boasting, of your great learning as a professor, you will not mind reading the Socrates Quote in CONTEXT . If you do you will see a completely different picture. Socrates Scholasticus, circa 379-450 A.D., Ecclesiastical History, Book 5.
Socrates Scholasticus is not discussing 7th day Sabbath-keeping -v- Sunday keeping, in fact the term Sabbath in the socrates quote is not the 7th day Jewish sabbath in this passage. This is proved quite effortlessly when we read his introductory words to Book 5, Chapter 22.
IN THE 4TH CENT., CHRISTIANS WERE CALLING SUNDAY THE SABBATH. WHEN HE SPOKE OF THE SABBATH SOCRATES WAS IN FACT SPEAKING OF SUNDAY.
The Lord’s Day, i.e. Sunday was the day that Christians partook of the Lord’s Supper which Socrates called the Eucharist.
Socrates, “Churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [the Eucharist] on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this”
READING THE CONTEXT shows that just as the quote says, IS WRITING OF THE LORD’s SUPPER which he called “Eucharists.”
Prove “some Ancient Tradition” was meant to apply to the observance of Sunday ACCORDING TO THE CONTEXT. It says nothing of the sort! See for yourself!
According to Socrates, In Alexandria they ALSO KEPT “THE SABBATH.” The last half of your quote says, “…yet the Christians of Alexandria at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this (CONTINUING WHERE YOU LEFT OFF) The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Theba’s HOLD THEIR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES ON THE SABBATH, BUT DO NOT PARTICIPATE OF THE MYSTERIES IN THE MANNER USUAL AMONG CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL” Socrates Scholasticus, circa 379-450 A.D.
Socrates Scholasticus is not discussing 7th day Sabbath-keeping -v- Sunday keeping. That fact is evident by the very next sentence which clearly said those in Alexandria and Rome where both keeping the same day each week. The context shows that those in Alexandria and Rome were observing the “mysteries” of the Lord’s Supper only once a year during the passion week on Wednesday and Good Friday. Whereas the “THE MYSTERIES IN THE MANNER USUAL AMONG CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL” were held on what he called the sabbath i.e. Sunday the Lord’s day!
“A text taken out of context becomes a pretext.”
pre·text Noun /ˈprēˌtekst/
noun: excuse, pretence, pretense, plea
A reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason intended by the statement
Socrates was against imitating the Jewish customs!
“It appears to me that neither the ancients nor moderns who have affected to follow the Jews, have had any rational foundation for contending so obstinately about it. For they have not taken into consideration the fact that when Judaism was changed into Christianity, the obligation to observe the Mosaic law and the ceremonial types ceased. And the proof of the matter is plain; for no law of Christ permits Christians to imitate the Jews.” Socrates Scholasticus, Book 5, Chapter 22
Note: The Adventist Professor never replied to this information.
Socrates said , “Churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [the Eucharist] on the sabbath of every week” and “THE MYSTERIES IN THE MANNER USUAL AMONG CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL.” So what day did the Christians throughout the world celebrate the Lords Supper among Christians in General, every since the first and second century?
“I differ from Ellen White, for example, on the origin of Sunday. She teaches that in the first centuries all Christians observed the Sabbath and it was largely through the efforts of Constantine that Sundaykeeping was adopted by many Christians in the fourth century. My research shows otherwise. If you read my essay HOW DID SUNDAYKEEPING BEGIN? which summarizes my dissertation, you will notice that I place the origin of Sundaykeeping by the time of the Emperor Hadrian, in A. D. 135.” – Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi / Seventh-day Adventists most predominant Historian.