Either an A+ or an F: Nothing Inbetween!

“I will most gladly tell you what state I am in today. I have perfect peace with God. All my burdens have been lifted at Calvary.” ~ David M. Curtis


xxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 7:55 am
To: contact@davidmcurtis.com

From: xxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Subject: leaving

Message Body:
Hello Curtis,
On June 8, 2008 i signed up for your forum. I remember going to your web site fairly often during a period of time leading up to that. Then for a long while i haven’t been back, but today, while searching for information on ”Seventh-day Adventist and statutes” your web site came up, so i happily clicked, expecting to see your familiar pyramid picture site.

Instead, i was very sad to see that you have given up your Seventh-day Adventist faith. That is too bad. Just now when we are winding down to the end of all things, and some are seeing that we need to return to keep everything God said to keep, not just the 10 things he said to keep, Satan is busy in telling us that we need to keep zero of the words of God.

I don’t know how to tell you that my heart goes out for you. My oldest brother also left the church over 25 years ago directly as a result of Desmond Ford’s work. My mother and i remonstrated with him, but he resolutely threw out all his SOP books. Sure enough, within a couple of years he had given up all semblance of Sabbath worship, and now is basically only a believer in college football.

Ellen White was directly inspired of God. An enemy has sown tares tho, making it look like she has a wax nose. Please return to the original works, not the later versions which were heavily massaged by men who were not believers in her visions. Just as people circulated false letters purporting to be from Paul in his day, not everything with Ellen White’s name on it is from the pen of Ellen White!

Personally i’m in Japan now, after travelling around SE Asia and Europe for 5 years trying to get the 1858gc into various languages. By God’s grace it is in 27 languages now, but it seems like such a pitifully small drop in the bucket. This year i received a email from some man who was basically kicked out of Harvesttime books (Puckett?). It is sad that the truth has not made Br. Ferrell more into the likeness of our lovely Saviour – Jesus Christ.

I went to see your video on YouTube – looks like you have a good set up with your travel home and dogs and cats. Not anything to compare with 200 acres on top of the mountain in Altamont tho, is it?

May we all strive to enter in the straight and narrow gate, looking fully to the author and finisher of our salvation – Jesus Christ.


RE: leaving
Date: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:35 am
To: “xxxxxx xxxxxxxx”


Hello Brother XXXXXXX,

 There is something familiar about your email address, so I do remember you. Traveling around SE Asia, Europe and Japan! Amazing, that sounds like quite an adventure. I am not sure who Puckett is, he must have came and went after I was no longer at Harvestime books. A word about Vance Ferrell. From 2007-2010 I had the opportunity to get to know Vance very well. That man is a well-oiled machine. Although we have not spoken in a year now, I know at this very moment (barring health restraints) he is sitting at his desk writing a new book or newsletter. Every morning he eats an incredibly healthy meal, listens to Ellen White audio books, and heads straight to the office. Then he has worship with the team and gets right to work. Three hours later he goes home, takes 1 1/2 hour nap. Has lunch, listens to more EGW audio, then heads back to work, where he spends another three hours writing. Comes home takes another nap, has a very light dinner of just blue berries listens to more EGW audio and goes back to work to write another 2 hours, Then finishes his day by going home and preparing for bed; Only to start the whole routine all over again the next day. Vance has devoted every moment of every day for decades to studying EGW, and writing books about her and Adventism. I will never meet another man more dedicated than that. He is kind, patient, thoughtful and wise. Over all I found him to be a very good decision maker. He is generous, and genuinely caring. As far as men go, he is one of the best I have ever met. Of course I have the right to my own opinion, but it is based on a personal experience of working side by side with him more closely than anyone else during those years. We all have our faults, and Vance has his, but his character is not one of them. He has a lot of integrity, and a tremendous love and dedication to God. He was consistent, reliable, and trustworthy.

 Having been in ministry myself a number of years, I recognize that people who stand up for what they believe though the heavens fall, will have those who agree with them, and those who disagree with them. When we disagree with something another person believes in, often times that person is lumped into a category. Whether or not we like what Vance stands for, He is true to himself, and to God and the truth as he understands it. I count him a brother in Christ, and know with all my heart he is a child of God, and that he will be in God’s kingdom.

 Having been both a devout Adventist, and now a former Adventist gives me a unique perspective. In general we view others through one of two perspectives. As a former Adventist I now view others through the eyes of scripture, through Jesus Christ, and through the Cross. This tends to cause me to look upon others with mercy, compassion, and long-suffering. It challenges me to be patient with others, forgiving of their faults, and unconditionally charitable towards them. Formerly as an Adventist I noticed a trend where the laity viewed others through the writings of Ellen White, where people were judged by whether or not they ate cheese, meat, attended theaters drunk coffee as the most notable standards. Then there were the less notable ones that accumulate as we enumerate all the other standards she wrote about. Which could include whether or not someone wore long sleeves, took a shower on the Sabbath, used any prescription medication etc. Then there were all the minor doctrinal schisms. Did Ellen White teach this, or did she teach that? Depending on where a person fell on one side or another on all of these issues instantly placed themselves into categories and even sub categories in the minds of other church members, and especially in the minds of members of independent home churches.

 Your letter this morning reminded me of all this when you wrote, “It is sad that the truth has not made Br. Ferrell more into the likeness of our lovely Saviour – Jesus Christ.” Some Adventists hold other Adventists up to a very high standard – absolute perfection. It is easy to view the faults in others, and less easy to view the faults in our own-selves, which I have observed is something quite common in Adventism. As you wrote that, did you consider your self to have achieved more of “a likeness of our lovely Saviour – Jesus Christ” than brother Ferrell? Thank God that I am not like that other guy? Poor man, so sad that he is not doing as well as I am? I imagine that type of question is unsettling, however I have no intention of causing any offense. Especially now that I view others through the eyes of scripture, through Jesus Christ, and through the Cross. Which teaches me, that the only one that has every received an A+ on His final exam is Jesus Christ, and that all others in fact have an embarrassing F on their report cards until we receive Christ perfect report card through His imputed righteousness by faith alone. Adventists sub-consciously do grade other Adventists. That person has a C, this one has a D, and I am quite certain that I have at least a B, or at the very least a strong C+, and hope before it is all over I will acheive a passing grade!

 So what grade do you give Vance Ferrell? More importantly, what grade do you give yourself? No doubt you perceive me as someone who dropped out of school entirely!

 As I mentioned a moment ago, today I view people through the eyes of scripture, through Jesus Christ, and through the Cross. Which teaches me, that all men have a resounding F on their report cards, including Vance Ferrell, whom I gave a glowing review for a few moments ago. With this view in mind, it becomes quite impossible to rate others as either better or inferior to myself. We all stand equally guilty before God. Not one of us has anything to boast more than anyone else.

 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:19-28

 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9.

 Viewing others through the eyes of scripture, through Jesus Christ, and through the Cross, alone, we see that there are only two categories. There are those who have received the righteousness of God which is by faith, and those who have not; So that we either have an F on our report cards, or an A+ through the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. I assure you kind sir that I deserve an F on my report card, this I know full well. If my righteousness was the question, then I fall short of receiving so much as a D. “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”  1 Timothy 1:15. However I have the good pleasure of sharing with you my testimony, that I have an A+ imputed to me through faith in Jesus Christ, and that I am promised my diploma through the merits of Christ alone!

 The world can hurl accusations at me all the day long, “what a wretched man that he is,”  to which I will have only but to agree with. “O wretched man that I am!” Romans 7:24.

 So what state am I in today? Am I under condemnation? “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” Romans 8:1. I will most gladly tell you what state I am in today. I have perfect peace with God. All my burdens have been lifted at Calvary. If I may, I would like to repeat that, because it is such good news to me…. All my burdens have been lifted at Calvary! I do not carry a single one! Jesus bore my sins and was chastised for my peace. “But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”  Isaiah 53:5. I write not from a theological stand-point but from the experience itself. That which you count a great disappointment I count my greatest joy!

 My conscience has been purified of dead works. My conscience stands completely clean and uncondemned. I have no fear of judgment, nor any false delusions that my own righteousness has any merit to redeem me from it.

 How stands your conscience today?

 When I ask that question, do you ponder your missionary endeavors, vegetarian lifestyle, faithful church attendance and tithe? Do you first ask the question, “How am I measuring up” before you can answer this all important question, “How stands your conscience today?”

 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.” Hebrews 10:19-22

The blood of Jesus Christ has sprinkled my heart from an evil conscience, and has taken that which was red as crimson, and has made it white as snow. He has removed my sins as far as the east is from the west. My sins have vanished as a dark cloud; that which at one time was as a mountain that would crush me, has been cast into the depths of the sea.

 So do not despair for me dear heart! The Lord is my salvation.

 You wrote, “Satan is busy in telling us that we need to keep zero of the words of God.”

Had you studied my website more, you would have had a different understanding about what I teach. I believe in following every commandment given us by Christ, and his apostles. An amazing fact dear brother: there are actually more commandments in the New Testament, than there are in the Books of Moses! I promote obeying every last commandment in the New Testament through Christ and His apostles. I may no longer believe that Christians camp below Mt. Sinai, however I do believe Christians are to camp below Mt. Zion, in full view of the cross. I believe in self-denial, and temperance and Christian living as outlined in the New Testament. I believe the teachings of Christ and His apostles are a complete revelation of God’s will for the New Testament church.

 A year ago, I was on the phone with Vance Ferrell. During that conversation he said, “For me, it all boils down to the issue of morality, and obeying the Law of God.” I replied, “If a person obeys everything commanded by Jesus Christ and through His apostles, upon which point could you accuse him of immorality?” Vance never questioned me about the issue of morality again.

 Brother XXXXXXX, you need to understand, that I am not a Calvinist. I am not in the “once saved always saved” camp. So I ask that you not confuse my beliefs with theirs. It is a false representation of my faith to think that I teach “we need to keep zero of the words of God.” Nothing could be further from the truth of what I actually believe and teach on my website. Rather that is an assumption, based on the concept that all Christians are Calvinists, which in fact is not true at all!

 If there is ANYTHING you feel burdened about, that I ought to be obeying, I want to assure you I am quite open to hearing all about it from the word of God (the Bible). Convince me from scripture. That is my plea!

 I want to thank you for your thoughtful and heartfelt letter this morning. I want to further thank you for your interest in me personally, and I especially want to thank you for reading through any of the material I offer on LoudCry.org. You are welcome to write back anytime. I am pleased to discuss any issues you may have with my new faith, and am fully prepared to share with you the reasons for the hope that is in me regarding my faith in Christ Jesus.

David M. Curtis
Director/Speaker of
The Loud Cry Ministry

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